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Best consistent ODI batsman of India, after Sachin, yes, probably!

But comparing him directly with Sachin is a joke! Sachin and MSD has got different roles in the match. Sachin opens (used to) for India, so his major job is to give a steady start, by scoring at run a ball or more for the first 10 over without giving away his wicket. Sachin is NOT a finisher for India. Whereas MSD comes at 6-7, somewhere around the last 10 overs, where he has no option than to go after the bowlers, even if he has to lose his wicket, which eventually means more sixes, and more not outs!

Secondly, Sachin played in an era where scoring runs where not so easy. They didnt have the kind of bats that the current generation have. I mean, 10 yrs ago, a total of 300 was not regular. In fact, chasing a 300+ score was almost impossible. Whereas, these days, 300+ is a given and chasing that is kind off easy!

Bottom line, compare Dhoni with a current generation cricketer and with a similar role as of Dhoni's.

To me, Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly are great players, doing their job at their respective positions. You cant expect a Dravid or a Laxman to open an innings and do well consistently. Same goes for Sachin!

Respect to Ganguly as well, as a caption. He came in and bulit an Indian team when we were not doing too well. He had to play against team like Australia where they had players like Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist, Bevan, Hussey, McGrath, Warne, Lee etc. Dhoni got an already good performing team to deal with. But, goog job in keeping it up.
Both are specialist job(opening & finishing)....sachin & dhoni both are greats.....don't underestimate dhoni's role....remember those matches where india lose from winning position (late 90's & early 2000)....they fail to chase scores in odis....if tendulkar batted till the end then india won.......now dhoni is a great finisher....he stays till the end and make sure that india got over the line
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Both are specialist job(opening & finishing)....sachin & dhoni both are greats.....don't underestimate dhoni's role....remember those matches where india lose from winning position (late 90's & early 2000)....they fail to chase scores in odis....if tendulkar batted till the end then india won.......now dhoni is a great finisher....he stays till the end and make sure that india got over the line
well said.mujhe bhe lgta ha agar msd jaisa batsman hamare pas 90's me hota toh hamara odi records against top team bahut achha hota
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Both are specialist job(opening & finishing)....sachin & dhoni both are greats.....don't underestimate dhoni's role....remember those matches where india lose from winning position (late 90's & early 2000)....they fail to chase scores in odis....if tendulkar batted till the end then india won.......now dhoni is a great finisher....he stays till the end and make sure that india got over the line
I never underestimated Dhoni, I said that its not right to compare him with Sachin, coz of their different roles they play in the team (as you said, of opening and finishing).

See, cricket is a teams game, not an individuals, hence everyone's got their own role in the team.

For example, if Sachin scores a century and gives India a good start, and the middle order and Dhoni fails to deliver, India will still struggle to win that game. Same way, if Sachin or the middle order fails then its very difficult for Dhoni to finish the game. It goes both ways. Lets take Dravid here, people always criticized him saying that he scores at a very low rate, but the thing is, he comes in to bat when India is one down or two down where its more important to stabilize the innings and not go after the bowlers. So yes, he does his role, hence he stuck with Indian team for a long time. When it comes to Dhoni, he comes at a later stage of the innings where he has to score quick runs, and he delivers, hence he is still in Indian team.

And Dhoni is one of the best wicketkeepers of world cricket, if not the best. Thats another big plus point for India.

The discussion should be on who is the best finisher of the game and not the best batsman when it comes to Dhoni!

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I never underestimated Dhoni, I said that its not right to compare him with Sachin, coz of their different roles they play in the team (as you said, of opening and finishing).

See, cricket is a teams game, not an individuals, hence everyone's got their own role in the team.

For example, if Sachin scores a century and gives India a good start, and the middle order and Dhoni fails to deliver, India will still struggle to win that game. Same way, if Sachin or the middle order fails then its very difficult for Dhoni to finish the game. It goes both ways. Lets take Dravid here, people always criticized him saying that he scores at a very low rate, but the thing is, he comes in to bat when India is one down or two down where its more important to stabilize the innings and not go after the bowlers. So yes, he does his role, hence he stuck with Indian team for a long time. When it comes to Dhoni, he comes at a later stage of the innings where he has to score quick runs, and he delivers, hence he is still in Indian team.

And Dhoni is one of the best wicketkeepers of world cricket, if not the best. Thats another big plus point for India.

The discussion should be on who is the best finisher of the game and not the best batsman when it comes to Dhoni!
Agree with you.....cricket is a team game, there is specific role for every players....when they play well together, team benefits.....and talking about batsmanship of dhoni, he is one of bests in the world, if not in longest format.....team needs players who complement each other.....if dravid(technically strong)is in team then team needs dhoni(unorthodox) also.....that makes a perfect team.
And any player can't be compared with Sachin Tendulkar....his achievement is humongous
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